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----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:50 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [PPCBuilders] 310 Chiron Wings
--- In PPCBuilders@yahoogroups.com, Jurgen Ziegler
<jurgenw_ziegler@...> wrote:
Why does Craig want a Chiron? I would never by another Chiron I get a
Thunderbolt.
Jürgen in North Pole, Alaska
Mosquito / König 4 Cylinder / "Bad Bad Bad" Chiron 310?
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M D Ignazito <mdipe@...> wrote: Craig:
Don't do it. The Chiron 310 ain't like the Chiron 340. It is made
by cutting two cells out of a 340. Different animal altogether. Of
course you are your own man and can do what you like.
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 2006 11:27 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: PPC Chiron 3xx versus Thunderbolt 340
opinions/arguments wanted..../Brian
In powerchutes@yahoogroups.com, "Walt M" <stewartm@...> wrote:
I've owned both chutes - a Chiron 340 and a Thunderbolt 340 - at the
same time. I'd had the Thunderbolt on my machine for about 45 hours
when, at the Powrachute Flyin, I decided to put my Chiron back on my
Destiny. I had flown three times that day with the Thunderbolt and had
no problems at all. The winds were down and EVERYONE was free-flying. I
put the Chiron back on and set the steering lines back to their proper
positions (I had marked the lines prior to taking the chute off) and started off just like I did the other three times
that morning. The Chiron came up swinging. I couldn't get it to kite up without swinging back and forth. I spent the better part
of two hours trying to figure out why it wouldn't come up steady. These were the same symptoms that I'd had with the Chiron, more
often than not, since I'd first installed it on my ppc. I put my Thunderbolt back on - same risers - and it came up just like a
square.
don't know if I got a "bad" Chiron or if this is standard for the Chiron. Mine is the only Chiron that I've flown so I don't have the
experience of flying multiple Chirons to see if the trait is similar from chute to chute. Evan Green had come to the Powrachute Flyin
with his Chiron and I watched it kite up as steady as my Thunderbolt. I have seen other Chirons exhibit a tendency to
oscillate, however. Rarely do I see that happen with the Thunderbolt.
By the way, this was done flying BOTH chutes on the SAME day in similar wind conditions - within an hour or so of each other. I
sold the Chiron and only fly the Thunderbolt, now...
~ Walt...
---- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Chambers"
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: RE: FW: E340
Yes! Unreal! I don't know why... but everyone here agrees that it seems to be more
stable than the Chiron on takeoff and definitely out climbs it. The only
noticable difference is the fabric. I think that this spring, several of my guys
are going to switch to this wing. How is the logo chute coming along?
~ Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Smith Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:04 AM
Subject: Thunderbolt
I have flown the thunderbolt 340E on a powered parachute and was amazed at
the incredible lift it has. Having flown an Apco 500 square foot dove tail and the
Chiron 340 elliptical this one handles so much nicer on take off and landing as well
as in the air. I was curious as to what the loading specs per square foot were on this
wing.
~Thanks, Jeff
My chute arrived today and all I can say is WOW. It is beauitful! The workmanship is great.
Thanks, from One happy customer
~ Bob Fernandez
I fly a condor now with a Thunderbolt using 43" risers attached at
the top with one quick link and it is the best kiting, best flying set up i have flown. And I have flown nearly everything out there.
I can take off in crosswinds and NEVER has this set up caused me to have a scary take off. It
Kites perfect everytime.
~ Scott Malone
I bought a Thunderbolt 340 after flying another elliptical for over 150 hours. I'll never go back. Guys - it rocks!
The TB 340's performance is outstanding in the air. Just as good as any other elliptical, but on the ground is where it really shines. It's ground handling performance is the same as just about any square chute. It kites up steady and straight - even in light crosswinds.
Before the Thunderbolt, I would not have recommended an elliptical for any new pilot. Now I tell everyone to "Go get a Thunderbolt. You won't be sorry". Great job, ASAP!!
Walt Meziere
Rockwall, TX
Thunderbolt 340
-- In powerchutes@yahoogroups.com, John Kosowski Jr <jzk@t...> wrote:
I tested Marty's thunderbolt at Macomb. I went to full power, and stayed at full power until airborn. It
kited like a champ, and I did not have to add any inputs/flare. I did my rolling preflight under full power. There was the slightest
downwind breeze, and the chute has a higher airspeed than either or mine, so
the only thing I noticed was the longer take off roll.
I never tried a Chiron, but the Thunderbolt was the best chute I have flown
to date. I actually hesitated in trying the Thunderbolt because I didn't think
I would want to buy it. But, now, in the next month or so, I would say that I
would be ready to buy it. However, as someone looking at buying a THIRD
chute, I think I want to try the Chiron first just to make sure.
Any Chiron dealers want to let me demo the Chute?
--- In powerchutes@yahoogroups.com, "dale@w..." <Dale@w...> wrote:
YEEEEE HAAAA. Finally got to fly my new E310 on the 447 Spirit last night. WOW! I
think I'm gonna love this wing. Super quick inflation, amazing response and it looks good too.
Real short check-out flight. Can't wait to get a real feel for it.
Happy in NY
~ Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: American
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: American Spirit Fight Across America II
"I had many equipment problems, but the Thunderbolt E-310 wing was not one of them. The Thunderbolt wing is what made the long flights possible with only 5 gallons of fuel on board. Because of it's reliability and efficiency I will be using it on the next attempt also."
~ Steve
--- In PPCBuilders@yahoogroups.com, "M D Ignazito" <mdipe@c...> wrote:
Steve says:
I was just out rearranging the exhaust on the Mini Me when Fed Ex showed up and delivered my new Thunderbolt E-310! I have to say that this
wing has the most complete and informative owner's manual that I have ever seen.
Gary says:
With the Thunderbolt 340, I cruise at 37 mph solo. Up to 42 with a good size passenger. I was flying the Skybolt 430, which is slow, so
this is a big increase in my speed and range.
Dave, if you want to fly the TB on your Pegasus, you could build a spreader bar.
~ Gary Fisher
-- In PPCBuilders@yahoogroups.com, "M D Ignazito" <mdipe@c...> wrote:
I flew my E310 today on my Buckeye. Geez what a great wing. Cruise rpm 4700 vs 5400 for the
Elan 500. Power off sink 400 (need to verify this quick check as it seems too low) vs 650 for the Elan. I also
have a technique for takeoff with a 582 that seems to work great. Once the chute comes nearly up I "backoff" from full power to just
the point where it would barely takeoff and add flare. When she starts "skipping" like a GA airplane, I ease on full power and off we
go smooth as silk. You have to smoothly "dial in" some right foot as you power up to retain control while
easing off the flare, sort of a juggling act, but who said it would be easy. Just like an airplane
with the rudder on climbout. I may just get another E310 for the Buckeye instead of the E340 I was planning to get. The climb angle is
fantastic. Like an elevator or helicopter. Next outing I'm going to try taxing chute up prior to takeoff just like with a rectum chute.
You Chiron jockies should try this and see what happens.
The rigging is now almost perfect. I have about 3" of right steering trim in to maintain straight and level in solo cruise with CGs dead
equal and stock Buckeye riser differential (2-3/4"?). In glide I have to add a bit of left foot as one would expect to counteract the
cruise power rigging. I think about 3/8" of left CG extension will get rid of the steering trim as going 3/4" more on the left CG needs
about 3" of LEFT steering trim. I'm going to try that later on. It requires a new cross drilled hole as 3/8" is to close for hole
spacing in a line IMHO. Touchy stuff eh?
To get 200-300 fpm sink on final approach I'm at 3800 rpm or so which is not much over warmup rpm. I can get it to taxi endlessly at about
15 mph on my ASI on landing rollout with no swaying or oscillations with about 1/3 to 1/2 flare. I have to add a bit of power to maintain
this no doubt due to wheel drag on the grass. Cruise IAS is about 30 mph on my Hall Bros ASI solo. The 4700 rpm is a real peaceful cruise
vs 5400 rpm. The noise level must be lower. Even with my helmet on,
it seems quieter.
Full throttle rpm is about 6375 which is still in the "flat spot" at the top of the 582 full throttle power curve so I think I'll leave
the prop setting alone even though rpm dropped some when I removed my prop tape and polished the prop. This prop is not very steeply
pitched (10 degrees at 65% sta) so I think this is OK. I'll run some prop calcs later to see what might happen, but this is a minor point
IMHO. This setup looks like it can haul some major butt showing near 700 fpm solo. I have a few bigbutt friends who can act as ballast.
Steve no longer qualifies, but we will try it when he comes here soon.
~Marty
---Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:20 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: PPC Chiron 340 for Sale
--- In powerchutes@yahoogroups.com, Walt Meziere <stewartm@d...>
wrote:
Hey Ben,
I have the Chiron 340 and the Thunderbolt 340. I like the Thunderbolt better. Don't need two chutes. :-)
~ Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Fleming
To: powerchutes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: PPC Chiron 340 for Sale
---Walt why you selling it?? you look good in it at Columbus.
~Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: bnf Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: off the list
I don't have any photos at the present time with the E-310 on it. I will get some photos to send. I would really like to get some
in the air also but I seldom fly with any one, now one around here fly a PPC
except me so that maybe a little more difficult to get but I will try.
Thanks for a GREAT wing I have two of them and love both no desire to ever fly a square wing again.
~Ben
-- In powerchutes@yahoogroups.com, "M D Ignazito" <mdipe@c...>
wrote:
Dave says
I thought about the Chiron for a while, but I've witnessed too many Chiron's unloading. I've seen them unload on a take-off run when
the rear wheels hit a slight bump. All the Chiron pilots in MN have eaten a
Chiron at one time or another. One has eaten 3 of them. I don't know that the thunderbolt won't unload under the right circumstances,
but so far I've not heard anything bad about them. I won't consider purchasing
a chiron at this point now that there are other choices which may be a better wing.
--- In powerchutes@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Beckstrom" <dbeck@a...wrote:
Gary,
I'd like to try the thunderbolt but it won't fly on a 40" spread. If they ever offer the line sets for a narrow spread I'll try it. At
the last fly-in I had a buddy who weighs 225 take up my student, who weighs
290, in a summit with the thunderbolt 340. They lifted terrific with a good rate of climb. I was very impressed with the chute.
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